Empathy Archives - Point of Relation Podcast

Elise Loehnen – Balancing Empathy, Anger, and Responsibility in Polarizing Times

Thomas is joined once again by New York Times bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen. They discuss the important work of reconnecting to our bodies, learning to fully embody our emotions—including anger—and what it takes to create safe spaces for difficult emotions to emerge and become integrated. Elise […]

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Andrea Gibson – Befriending Mortality

Rachael Sassara

Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson – one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. She also explains how this shift radically changed her writing and performances. Andrea shares stories and

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Alanis Morissette – Journey of Empowerment

Rachael Sassara

Thomas is joined by wholeness advocate, thought leader, and legendary Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter, Alanis Morissette. They discuss how to adhere to your values while passionately pursuing your life’s purpose, and how to re-connect to your authentic self after experiencing trauma. Alanis shares the somatic practices that helped her to overcome dissociation and experience embodiment again,

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Zainab Salbi – Self-Kindness in Humanitarian and Climate Work

Rachael Sassara

Thomas is joined by humanitarian, writer, and social entrepreneur Zainab Salbi. They discuss the difficult nature of working in the humanitarian space to address the many injustices that people, particularly women, face worldwide. Zainab explains how being open and vulnerable about her own traumatic experiences gave her the compassion and inspiration needed to tell women’s

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Stephen Gyllenhaal – Navigating Uncertainty with Empathy

Rachael Sassara

Thomas is joined by filmmaker and founder of the Identity Development Institute, Stephen Gyllenhaal. They discuss the pain of living during these uncertain and tumultuous times, and how having the courage to face our collective trauma can help us navigate this unprecedented era. In an interconnected world, things like violence, war, and mental illness are

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The Art of Attunement

Melissa Kendall

Thomas Hübl further expands on Attunement– a relational mindfulness practice that allows our nervous systems to feel one another and transmit many layers of information. He explains that each of us contains a rich inner world that we must get to know in order to attune with others. When we create inner calm, we also

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Creating Inner and Outer Coherence

Melissa Kendall

Thomas Hübl explores the concepts of Inner and Outer Coherence and the role they play in relationships and communication. He describes inner coherence as the capacity to understand our own inner experience, resonate with others, and feel whole. It’s a function of our nervous system that combines external sensory information with our internal thoughts and

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Amy Elizabeth Fox – Trauma-Informed Leadership

Melissa Kendall

Thomas interviews the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox. They discuss the vital importance of integrating the profound wisdom found in trauma healing into the practice of leadership development. Amy describes the enormous influence that traumatic symptoms have on the way that companies operate, and how their cultures are formed. In her work

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William Ury – Russia, Ukraine, and the Vicious Cycle of Humiliation and Trauma

Melissa Kendall

Author and negotiation expert William Ury joins Thomas for their third conversation in a three-part series. They discuss the deep feelings of humiliation that underlie most historic and ongoing conflicts, and how the antidote to that is the power derived from humility. William elaborates on the concept of the “third side” – the sum of

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Deeyah Khan – Befriending the “Other”: Seeing Beyond Extremism

Brian Nguyen

Thomas talks with award-winning documentary filmmaker Deeyah Khan about her experience of interviewing neo-Nazis & jihadists. Rather than dismissing extremists as unreachable fanatics, Deeyah has decided to engage them directly as human beings, with respect for our common humanity. She and Thomas reflect on how to remain hopeful and empathetic amidst the social divisiveness of

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