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Thomas is joined by contemplative social scientist, consultant, and educator in leadership, social justice, and mindfulness, Dr. Angel Acosta. They discuss the rise of Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology and its implications for our collective evolution as a species. In developing this technology, humans have unintentionally imbued it with our own biases and traumas. Thomas and Angel reflect on what’s needed for our individual and collective nervous systems to adapt to so much overwhelming information, and how we can incorporate wisdom from mystical and spiritual traditions to guide us through this new frontier.

Can we examine how AI is mirroring humanity in order to achieve new levels of spiritual, emotional, and psychosocial evolution? Can we learn to use these imperfect tools to propel us forward in our interconnected evolution instead of perpetuating separation and polarization?

This episode is part two of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Thomas is joined by Co-Founder of the Center for Humane Technology, Randima Fernando. They discuss how technology hijacks our dopamine response and reinforces trauma symptoms. Randima explains the downstream consequences of the “attention economy,” including social media’s addictiveness and its negative impacts on our psychology.

He and Thomas explore how better technology education, along with mindfulness practices, can offset these negative effects and help us bring our dopamine systems back into balance. Randima emphasizes how important it is, for both children and adults, to understand our own moral motivations so that we can become less susceptible to manipulation from technology and media.

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Thomas is joined by the author of the New York Times bestseller, On Our Best Behavior, and the host of the podcast “Pulling the Thread”, Elise Loehnen. They discuss what she calls the ‘cultural shadow’ of women – the ideas and behaviors that women have been socialized and conditioned to reject – and how women can embrace their complicated totality instead of repressing their authentic selves.

Elise’s recent book examines women’s social conditioning through the lens of the “seven deadly sins”. She and Thomas explore the trap of “goodness” for women and how the standards imposed on them lead to harmful repression, inequality, and resentment. Elise stresses that people of all genders are harmed by unfair standards that are propagated through social power structures, and posits that we can free ourselves from these constricting gender roles by reframing our thinking and integrating our shadows instead of projecting them onto others.

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Thomas is joined by internationally renowned researcher, educator, and author Dr. Joy DeGruy. They discuss how fear and ignorance impact our ability to recognize our fundamental oneness, and what’s needed for American society to come together to heal our collective wounds. Dr. DeGruy has spent a lengthy career in what she calls “heart work” – bringing people together to share their stories and generate a level of intimacy, empathy, and understanding that can only be gained through first-hand experience.

She and Thomas explore how trauma has been normalized for marginalized groups and the need for those with privilege to examine their biases, particularly anti-black racism, and use their power to advocate for what’s right. They discuss our collective tendency to try to avoid feelings and upsetting information, and how we must do the opposite and lean into these difficult learnings and conversations in order to stop repeating the harms that sow division.

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Episode 59

March 19, 2024

Embodying Our Soul’s Capacity

Thomas explores the idea of spiritual insight and how having a consistent, disciplined, contemplative practice can increase the depth of meditation and allow genuine insights to emerge. As we travel through life, we can learn to see the movement that is inherent in everything and use our soul’s energy to realize our potential and discover where we are called to belong.

Thomas considers this idea of “finding your way” and how we can be open to our planet’s knowledge and evolution and use that information creatively to illuminate our own path forward. But that’s not the only key piece – we must also practice attunement within our personal relationships and absorb lessons from our ancestors so that we can move into the future without re-creating the past.

This episode was recorded as part of the 2018 Celebrate Life Festival.

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Thomas is joined by neuroscientist, education philosopher, and social entrepreneur Dr. Sará King, and clinical professor of psychiatry, co-director of the Mindful Awareness Research Center at UCLA, and Executive Director of the Mindsight Institute Dr. Dan Siegel.

They discuss the concept of Intrapersonal Neurobiology – an interdisciplinary approach to understanding how our minds create our experiences, with an emphasis on the benefits of what Dr. Siegel refers to as “self-expanding emotions” – empathy, compassion, gratitude, and awe.

They dive deep into the idea of the collective nervous system, how we can learn to experience it, and how that can help us shift from defining the self as a solo entity to understanding humanity as fundamentally interconnected. In doing this, Dr. King and Dr. Siegel posit that we can create a stronger sense of belonging, increase our sustainability, and assist in the evolution of the planet instead of its destruction.

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