EPISODE 64

April 23, 2024

Innovation, Technology, and Trauma

Thomas examines the relationship between technological innovation, creativity, and trauma healing. He explores how trauma hinders our ability to evolve, update, and grow, and how advances in technology have outpaced the ethical maturity of our collective consciousness.

He emphasizes the need for our societies to integrate collective and ancestral trauma so that we can stop repeating cycles of harm and learn to use our technology wisely.

Thomas stresses that this is possible and that creativity and art can help us to “speak the unspeakable” and harvest essential learning from the frozen wounds of the past.

This episode is part three of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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“The present moment is the magnetism for the future to speak, the future to arise, the future to be creative.”

- Thomas Hübl

Guest Information

Thomas Hübl

Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator whose work integrates the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has been facilitating large-scale events and courses that focus on meditation and mindfulness-based awareness practices, as well as the healing and integration of trauma.

His non-profit organization, The Pocket Project, works to support the healing of collective trauma throughout the world. He is the author of the book Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds.

His new book Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma—and Our World is available now wherever books are sold. Visit attunedbook.com for links to order it online.

For more information, visit thomashuebl.com

Notes & Resources

Key points from this episode include:

  • How the breakthroughs of creative people throughout history have helped humanity to evolve
  • The emergent quality of the universe and how this is mirrored in non-traumatized structures
  • The difference between top-down and bottom-up innovation
  • How creativity is a very important resource in the healing process

Episode Transcript

Thomas Hübl: Today I want to take you on a journey to contemplate and think about and tune in with innovation and creativity. And trauma, of course. So when we talk about innovation, we often talk about updates like we all know how it feels when our operating system gets an update, apps get an update, programs get an update, Zoom gets an update. So we are in a world that is constantly updated or being updated or updating itself. And through technology, we can see that that’s not only a tech function, that’s actually a copy paste of a life function. And the life function is that throughout history there were always amazingly creative people that updated humanity through their creativity, through their insights, that breakthroughs and brought something new. And many of us noted that how we develop our own work, our own contribution, our own being, we developed it further.

So non-traumatized structures are updateable, which means they’re emergent, like the universe is emergent. So the universe is not the same universe all the time. The universe is growing, the universe is getting more, which means also when we research the universe, it’s not just that we find something that we didn’t see before. It’s also true, but we are also finding something that has been created since we looked last time. So the emergent process of reality is very important. And we all feel how good it feels to participate in that because when we are creative, we feel happy, we feel expanded, and most of all, we feel present because the future is always born now.

So the future arises in now and somebody has a good idea, they don’t have it tomorrow, they have it now, or when there’s an insight, it is now even if tomorrow it’s also now. So the present moment is the magnetism for the future to speak, the future to arise, the future, to be creative. And so that’s what I will call top down innovation. It. We already said in another daily insight video that traumatized structures can’t be informed. That’s why we do many things over and over again. We create many relational issues. We create many conflicts, whatever again and again, or many arguments because that part of me cannot be informed. So I do it again and again. I say the same things again and again. I become triggered again and again. And that’s also true in society. Certain cycles happen again and again.

So that’s a non updateable part of reality. Reality except part, it starts to melt except it starts to be integrated. In the moment we integrate trauma, it opens up and it can be informed, a regressive part of us, why it’s called regressive, because it’s still three years old, didn’t get any updates. In the moment we integrate that split of emotional part or that split of part of our development, we grow and suddenly I behave differently because I’m not regressive anymore. When that part cannot get triggered anymore. That’s why when something really heals, it healed. There’s no way back because back doesn’t exist. It’s now.

And so innovation, there’s top-down information and innovation, which is updates. That’s how the future calls us, speaks to us. And that’s what many innovative people feel very often. But then there is another, and that’s why we do this summit, another form of innovation that’s bottom up innovation, that’s harvesting the learning that is still frozen in the permafrost, our individual and collective lives. That’s what our ancestors couldn’t harvest. That’s what our cultures couldn’t integrate. And in that frozen life of the mute life, there are pearls in the eyes. And that’s the learning we didn’t get from history.

Now, why is that important? Because in many of the trauma fields, dictatorships, colonialism, racism, antisemitism, gender violence, many other wars whatsoever, there are many ethical integration learning. Yet that’s why I believe that top down innovation is very sexy and it’s very important. But equally important is bottom up innovation to harvest the learning that is stuck in the collective trauma field. And that’s why we might not have the ethical maturity to deal with AI or with certain scientific breakthroughs. The fact that there was a nuclear bomb in the history of humanity that went off in Japan shows that what I’m saying is true. Otherwise, that should never have happened. If you have the ethical maturity to use the technological development with integrity and for life, it should never have happened. And that’s why the maturation that comes through integrating individual and collective or ancestral and collective trauma is what makes us or helps us to develop into the human beings that can match our consciousness, can match the technological development, that they are not out of sync, they’re in sync.

And that gives us the ethical maturity to develop whatever we develop wisely and to use it wisely and lagging. If our ethical development is lagging behind, then there’s always like an open door for the recreation of another trauma cycle. And that’s why individual and collective healing and the liberation of the innovation that is in the bottom upstream and the creativity and the innovation power of our future, what we develop into the world that we are going to become. That’s both very important. And also in the trauma healing, the creative process, arts, the arts, visual arts, music, poetry, film, and many other streams of art are very important because in touching the creative process, we are touching like a very important resource in ourselves. Creativity is a very important resource in the healing process. And many trauma healing methods or more leading edge trauma, healing methods also includes creative expression art, and help us to reconnect to this resourcing. And that’s why we also include many poets and artists in the summit because such an important voice. And often the arts are a way to speak the unspeakable. So to give an expression to the part of life that is hurt and doesn’t have a voice. And so creativity and innovation are very important parts of our life, but also the understanding that the traumatized aspects, the unhealed traumatized aspects of us are non updateable and through healing trauma life reintegrates into the developmental process. And that’s really, really beautiful.