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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Hübl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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Episode 67

May 7, 2024

Andrea Gibson – Befriending Mortality

Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson – one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. She also explains how this shift radically changed her writing and performances.

Andrea shares stories and poetry that illuminate their unique perspective on death and grief, imploring us to face the unknown with curiosity and courage, and stop fighting against the circumstances of life. They and Thomas explore how welcoming feelings of grief and embracing mortality can enable us to truly cherish our lives and relationships, and imagine a world filled with wonder and awe.

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Episode 66

April 30, 2024

Francis Weller – Grieving in Community

Thomas is joined by Francis Weller, MFT – a psychotherapist, soul activist, and author of the bestselling, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. They discuss the need to return to a communal, ritual model of witnessing and processing grief.

Francis explains that grief requires two things: containment, and release, and he shares how a structured grief ritual creates a supportive space where grief can be honored, held, and digested. Francis calls this the “village mind” – a communal field that invites us to let go of our individualistic notions about healing. In this context, we can be reminded of our interconnectedness, opened to transmissions from our ancestors, and more receptive to intuition and creativity.

Francis invites us to see our collective crises as an initiation and grief as a reminder of the depth of our love. By understanding generational trauma, and slowing down to engage in communal practices, we can face these dark times with the courage and creativity needed to step into a radically new world.

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In this special bonus episode, Thomas leads us on a guided meditation to help ground us into our bodies and tune in with potentiality. He explores the mystical understanding of inspiration and how spiritual practice can help us to be more open and sense the potential of the future. This meditation is intended to help us integrate the learnings from the previous three episodes in our four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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Episode 64

April 23, 2024

Innovation, Technology, and Trauma

Thomas examines the relationship between technological innovation, creativity, and trauma healing. He explores how trauma hinders our ability to evolve, update, and grow, and how advances in technology have outpaced the ethical maturity of our collective consciousness.

He emphasizes the need for our societies to integrate collective and ancestral trauma so that we can stop repeating cycles of harm and learn to use our technology wisely.

Thomas stresses that this is possible and that creativity and art can help us to “speak the unspeakable” and harvest essential learning from the frozen wounds of the past.

This episode is part three of a four-part series on Technology, Innovation, and Consciousness.

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