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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Hübl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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Episode 218

October 27, 2026

The Meeting of Neuroscience and Contemplative Practice with Rick Hanson

This week, Thomas sits down with psychologist and NY Times best-selling author Dr. Rick Hanson to explore the place where neuroscience and spiritual practice converge to unlock inner transformation and greater compassion.

Dr. Hanson describes what he calls “positive neuroplasticity,” a feature that’s hardwired in the circuitry of our brains that we can harness to cultivate healing, growth, and awakening.

He and Thomas discuss the importance of mindfulness and body-centered practices to dissolve our evolutionary armor and negative patterns developed in early life and reprogram our nervous systems to be more peaceful and embodied. And importantly, how this process can lead to systemic change and a more united global community.

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Episode 217

October 20, 2026

The Energy of Transformation

This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how the personal and global challenges we’re facing present an opportunity to transform and integrate our undigested trauma to support collective evolution.

Importantly, Thomas explains why it’s so important to honor this difficult moment without avoiding discomfort or engaging in “spiritual bypassing,” and explains how we can stay engaged and empowered as we digest our buried trauma and process emotional obstacles.

In order to shine a light on the path forward, we need support. This includes honoring our defense mechanisms instead of judging them, leaning on community, finding meaningful spiritual practices, and doing the deep inner work so that our presence and wisdom can impact those around us.

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Episode 216

October 13, 2026

BEST OF: Music, Writing, and Art

This week, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on the healing power of creativity, exploring how music, writing, and art can support us in our lives and on our healing journeys.

Tune in to watch Thomas in conversation with legendary musician Alanis Morissette, poet and philosopher David Whyte, bestselling author Cheryl Strayed, and essayist and novelist Pico Iyer.

Topics include how collective creative experiences amplify connection, allowing what moves you to break your heart, the healing inherent in writing your truth, and how to channel the artistic impulses lying dormant within you.

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This week, Thomas sits down with author and speaker Danielle LaPorte to discuss how personal transformation and collective healing intersect through spiritual awareness.

In this inspiring conversation, Danielle shares how she’s learned to stop resisting fear and move beyond spiritual bypassing to achieve what she calls “heart-centered integration.”

She and Thomas share practical wisdom on using breath, sound, and deep relational connections to support the healing process, and dive deep into the power of gentleness to anchor us in love and collective unity.

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