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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Hübl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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Episode 70

May 21, 2024

Peter A. Levine, PhD – Healing Through Connection

Thomas is joined by the founder of the Ergos Institute of Somatic Education and the developer of Somatic Experiencing, Peter A. Levine, Ph.D. They discuss how trauma affects our physical bodies, and how the bottom-up approach of Somatic Experiencing helps to heal trauma by addressing the body first. Peter shares fascinating anecdotes from his own personal and professional history and explains how trauma is transmitted through generations, along with important information about survival and spirituality.

He and Thomas focus on connection as a crucial, if not THE most crucial element of trauma healing, and how grieving and witnessing pain together can bridge massive cultural divides.

Peter’s new book, An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey is available at:
Ergos Institute, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, Amazon UK, Inner Traditions, Books A Million, and

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In this special bonus episode, Thomas guides you through a meditation to connect you to your physical body, and then expand out to include your emotional system, exploring your emotional landscape. Which emotions are you comfortable with? Which would you rather avoid? You’re encouraged to approach this meditation with openness and curiosity.

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Episode 68

May 14, 2024

What Do We Mean by Trauma?

Thomas shares his understanding of the nature of trauma and what is most essential for us to heal as individuals and as a collective. He explains that trauma is not something that should be stigmatized but is actually an intelligent evolutionary response that has helped humans survive overwhelming and painful experiences.

But when these events are not fully felt, processed, and integrated, they become frozen in our subconscious, making us reactive to triggers, and causing us to become either hyperactivated or dissociated and numb. He explores how we can learn to instead be responsive to these moments, absorbing crucial learning from our reactions, giving us the space and awareness to be present, related, and open to inspiration for constructive solutions and positive change.

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Thomas is joined by Andrea Gibson – one of the most celebrated and influential spoken word poets of our time. They discuss how Andrea’s cancer diagnosis resulted in a profound spiritual transformation stemming from a liberating feeling of acceptance. She also explains how this shift radically changed her writing and performances.

Andrea shares stories and poetry that illuminate their unique perspective on death and grief, imploring us to face the unknown with curiosity and courage, and stop fighting against the circumstances of life. They and Thomas explore how welcoming feelings of grief and embracing mortality can enable us to truly cherish our lives and relationships, and imagine a world filled with wonder and awe.

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